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I find myself confused by the timelines, dates, places, and evidence in your post. Do you have a graphic that outlines your preferred timeline and perhaps compares it to others?

Additionally, what are your thoughts on the idea that there was not only a cultural "memetic" revolution but also a genetic one? After all, evolution didn't stop 40,000, 10,000, or even 4,000 years ago.

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"Books about human evolution often follow the format: …"

I've read so many (of these and other science essays extended into a book) I feel some version of GIT and forking a project on new 'this changes everything' lead or insight would be better than so many books being virtually identical for the first third of the book (okay if you have never read one before but after that what a waste of paper and bits).

Also, my obligatory reminder (of a wider-than "narrow disagreement")

that

(art/religion/polity/drama/performance/rites/ritual/prayer/ceremony/culture/morality)

are all outcomes of the worlding urge and their various forms and specialties of notice or practice, are the result of specialization and confabulation that a increasingly complex economy (agriculture) and thus society (city-ish numbers) allow. see https://www.academia.edu/40978261/Why_we_should_an_introduction_by_memoir_into_the_implications_of_the_Egalitarian_Revolution_of_the_Paleolithic_or_Anyone_for_cake

(Yes, shamanism comes later than this, it's a doubling down (of many genres available) of the worlding urge, but then we have a North American predominance in academia so it a bit like thinking cave painting started in Europe because that where most of the researchers/population lived (looking for your car keys under the light effect). (I'd also add that the lack of doubled-down shamanism in Australia is mirrored in that, perhaps, the use of the term "creation myths" for dreaming stories is also too much back-formation, as they do not take place in the past. Songlines are responsibilities in ceremony, they do not take place in memory of the past, but as activation and maintenance of the world on country -- bit like a routine/rite to keep the grease and oil schedule on track on (social) machinery. As such, and in particular, the use of "creation stories" as "explanation"s is too much. Indeed knowing where one comes from is more about the context of the lives of ones ancestors than an actual origin (thought this too can always be double-down on when politically required).

TL;DR --- Social complexity yes -- socially negotiated / but 'religion' as cause for this -- no.

The worlding urge does not care about the form/genre nor the detail/beliefs/rites of the lived world. There is no gene for the name of god. Agency bias needs personal identity to riff off in a city life to create gods in their own image.

Merely that we feel we should -- do that type of stuff. No just-so story required, but the urge will make us feel there should be just-so stories anyways.... (as well as deontological moral frameworks -- same urge different outcomes in different contexts.)

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